ClimGen Questions and Answers

ClimGen Questions and Answers

Questions have been divided into the following catagories:

Getting Started Details Problems using the program
General Parameters Runtime errors
Installation Run option not working
Upgrading Technical Why are my results not right
Using the user interface


General


Question

How do I ask a question about ClimGen?

Answer

To ask a question about ClimGen, send your question to Roger Nelson. If you are not already subscribed to the ClimGEn listserv, you might want to do that first. We try to reply to questions within one or two days.


Question

Where can I get the sources to ClimGen

Answer

Sources can be made available on request. Please address your request for ClimGen source to Dr. Claudio Stöckle.

Provide a description of what you need. It is a lot easier for us to send an individual file if you simply need to check an equation. If you need the sources to completely recompile the program, please keep in mind that we do not often have requests of this sort and it is not a trivial matter to package up all the source code and support files needed to compile the program.


Installation


Question

I am having problems downloading ClimGen from the FTP site.

Answer

Contact Roger Nelson rnelson@wsu.edu. The ClimGen distribution is about 30MB. If you have a slow or unreliable Internet connection, you may want to use a "download manager" in your web browser. (Your Web browser may already have one, or you may need to install a plug-in)


Question

When I run SETUP, the installation process freezes at about 39% and I cannot install the program

Answer

There is a bug in the Install Shield software that causes this failure on some systems in some conditions. This bug affects other program installations not just ClimGen.

Usually if you terminate the process and/or restart the computer and run setup again this will fix the problem.


Question

Where is the manual?

Answer

The ClimGen manual is prepared as a HTML document which can be read using a WWW browser such as NetScape or MicroSoft Internet Explorer.

If you have correctly installed your WWW browser, the manual will be displayed using your browser when you request help in any of the screens or the Help Menu.

MS Word for Windows can also read HTML documents.


Upgrading


Question

When I install a new version of ClimGen, do I have to delete/uninstall the old version?

Answer

No, simply do the install.

Using the user interface


Question

Answer


Runtime errors


Question

When performing analysis. (Either with Site analysis of measure data or analysis of generated data). I get an error message 'Floating Point Overflow' or "stack overflow" .

Answer

There could be a variety of causes. The most frequent cause is invalid measured weather data, or the values are not the correct units. (I.e. if data was improrted or edited with the weather editor with data values that are not consistent with the units). Solar radiation values of 0.0 is considered invalid, so if your input data set has 0 values for solar radiation, edit the UED file with the UED weather editor and set the quality of the solar radiation data with 0.0 values to "Invalid" or "Missing".

Parameters


Question

I notice that when I have real historial daily data (consisting of only prepitation and temperature), ClimGen must be producing parameters for solar radiation estimation because I can then get solar radiation as an output.

When I try to generate data having parameterized only from monthly summaries, ClimGen does not give solar radiation as an output.

Additionally, I see that CropSyst can estimate solar radiation from daily data one date at a time without having to perform a parameterization analysis.

Is it possible to get ClimGen to estimate solar radiation when parameterizing a location only with month summaries (I.e. there are no real historial daily data to estimate solar radition estimation parameters).

Answer

Yes and No.

In the case of parameterization from real historial daily precipitation and temperature data, the solar radiation parameters are derived from a long term analysis of the data. During the generation phase, although ClimGen is producing precipitation and temperature values, it cannot do the long term analysis to derived the solar radiation parameters as each day of data is generated.

CropSyst can do this because it uses a slightly different method to estimate solar radiation where the solar radiation parameters are derived from latitude. The estimation method use by ClimGen (developed by Campbell and Donatelli) is better than the latitude derived method used by CropSyst. (Because of this, CropSyst users may get better results by using ClimGen to estimate solar radiation when real historial solar radiation is not available rather than letting CropSyst estimate the solar radiation.)

Once you have generated a set of data, you could try the parameter analysis using the generated precipitation and temperature data (rename the .GEN files to .DAT files and perform the 'site analysis'gain), but then the parameters for solar radiation estimation will be derived from non-real data and this may give unreasonable estimated solar radiation.

Update (98/06/25)

Gianni Bellochi has done an analysis of estimated solar radiation derived from estimated parameters from generated data and find that this does gives reasonable results.


Technical


Run option not working


Why are my results not right

The following are questions people asked that were either errors in the program that have now been fixed, or were not problems with the program but some other problem. You may have an old version where one of the problems occurs you should upgrade a newer version.

Question

Why are generated relative humidity much lower the measured values during winter months and/or freezing conditions

Answer

The problem is, for temperatures below zero, the calculation of saturation vapor pressure becomes asymptotically closer zero (See spreadsheet). The saturation vapor pressure for dew point temperatures is used to calculate the relative humidity so very slight changes in subfreezing temperatures (as in the random number used to generate temperature value) can result in apparently significant variation in relative humidity.

We did add an additional seasonal parameter to improve slightly the seasonal characterization of relative humidity. We also made the correction for vapor pressure over Ice in the Antoine equation for freezing conditions to account for super cooled conditions in accordance to the World Meteorological Organization recommendation. This also made a slight improvement. (See the second graph on the right in the spreadsheet)

But it does not appear that we will be able to make much more improvement of relative humidity during extreme freezing at this time.

Note that if your model is using relative humidity, it will most likely actually reverse the calculation to obtain the saturation vapor pressure, this is the number that is important for most models and it should be then correctly characterized from the relative humidity data produced by ClimGen, even though the relative humidity values themselves appear to be significantly off. Additionally these values will be during periods of the year not significant for most models.